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Betting shops & kids - Anyone know the law?

POSTED BY: karaokecolin 1 month, 1 week ago

Quick query - I went into a branch of a national & very well known bookmakers this afternoon to place a horsey bet.

I had my baby daughter with me who at 4 months old (already!) was in her pram, asleep.

I walked in, spent a couple of minutes eyeing up the Racing Post on the wall, reading the form etc, wrote out my slip & took it up to the counter.

The lady assistant refused to serve me. She said - and I quote-

"I will get shot - you will have to take the kiddie outside!"

So, because I had our sprog with me, I couldnt be served.

Fair enough if this is the law but a couple of points:

1- I have been in several different bookmakers, including this one, over many years with my other daughter who is now aged 11. On no occasion previously have I been refused service.

2- The staff member today was not busy. She sat there & watched me enter the shop, look at the form papers on the wall, write out the slip & approach the counter. This all took approx 4-5 minutes. She only ordered me to leave when I gave her my slip.

I tried to reason with her & query her point but she point blank refused to say any more so I thought 'up yours' and left!

I checked & double checked & there was no sticker or sign on the door or shop frontage stating no children were allowed.

By the way, I didn't leave her outside on a rainy, busy high street.

And the horse won at 11-2!!!!!!!!

Anyone work in a bookies who can clarify this I would be grateful.

Cheers

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No one under the age of 18 is allowed on the premises as it is illegal for them to participate in gambling, by being with you they are participating regardless of age

It's the same as me asking if I went clubbing on Friday if I can take my 9 month old daughter with me, she wont be drinking and i'll supervise her at all times but somehow I think it is a no
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wow thats good odds brah, I was betting on the horses today too, Im up about tree fiddy
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All tthe above is all well & good but the above should then be applied by all staff in all betting shops.

As I said, I have been in this & other betting shops with my other kiddy countless times over the years & never had a problem before.

And on Grand national day this year the place was full of children because the staff were giving them all free balloons & sweets!!

So there must be some discrepancy/bending of the rules somewhere??
And should there not be signage on the front of the shop stating the rules - I checked & double checked & there wasn't.

In the night club scenario above a doorman wouldnt let a 9month kiddy in. There would also be signs somewhere stating the age reestrictions.

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Black gerbil - excuse my lack od worldly-wiseness but wtf is a 'tree-fiddy'?
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All tthe above is all well & good but the above should then be applied by all staff in all betting shops.

As I said, I have been in this & other betting shops with my other kiddy countless times over the years & never had a problem before.

And on Grand national day this year the place was full of children because the staff were giving them all free balloons & sweets!!

So there must be some discrepancy/bending of the rules somewhere??
The law was tightened up recently.
If you have taken your kids in and been allowed to place a bet over the past year or so, then you should be complaining to those shops/staff members, not complaining about this one who was doing her job properly.
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Black gerbil - excuse my lack od worldly-wiseness but wtf is a 'tree-fiddy'?
Its him trolling
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The law was tightened up recently.
If you have taken your kids in and been allowed to place a bet over the past year or so, then you should be complaining to those shops/staff members, not complaining about this one who was doing her job properly.
Well I'm not complaining - just seeing if somebody can give me some definite, quoted clarification.
The law is the law, even in this country, & if under 18's aren't allowed in by law, then so be it & I won't do it again. Ever.

In this case though with the law as it is, then in this very same branch of Bookies on Grand National Day this year, when there were at least 6 kids of all ages (under 18 definitely) getting free sweets & balloons while their adult guardians were placing Grand National bets, then the Manager of the shop with all the other staff must have all been breaking the law?

Despite all the quotes & 'castigations' above, still seems a bit grey to me.
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karaokecolin:

Despite all the quotes & 'castigations' above, still seems a bit grey to me.
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If you are under 18 you may not go into a public betting shop or gaming club.
Whats grey about that? I don't really see how it could be much clearer.
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Whats grey about that? I don't really see how it could be much clearer.

Yep - as I said, the quotes if they are correct are very clear.

What seems grey is the fact that this same branch allowed children - no- welcomed children of all ages- in on Grand National Day with parents who were betting, yet today didnt allow them in.

I'm not complaining about this, merely querying it.

If the law as above clearly states they shouldn't, then to me that seems rather grey, as it mentions no exclusion, discretion or special condition for Grand National Day.

Either the Law, the bookmaker shop in question, or the bookamker industry if this is industry wide as these laws usually are, is sending out a mixed message to the customer if they abide by the above laws one minute, then clearly do not the next.

I ain't gonna lose sleep over it anyway - just curious.
Maybe I will go & ask to speak to the shop manager next time I'm in there for his/her clarification. Obviously when I've not got any of the kiddies with me!!

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No one under the age of 18 is allowed on the premises as it is illegal for them to participate in gambling, by being with you they are participating regardless of age

It's the same as me asking if I went clubbing on Friday if I can take my 9 month old daughter with me, she wont be drinking and i'll supervise her at all times but somehow I think it is a no
What a load of rubbish kids are aloud in racecourses, greyhound tracks and seaside arcades even football grounds have betting shops in now so its all ******** really. The jobsworth behind the counter should get a personalty if you ask me, as if she is going to get in trouble by having a little 4 month old baby a sleep in the pram in the shop its laughable.

And the comparison with you taking your 9 months baby clubbing with you and taking a baby in the bookies are you sure !!!
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What a load of rubbish kids are aloud in racecourses, greyhound tracks and seaside arcades even football grounds have betting shops in now so its all ******** really. The jobsworth behind the counter should get a personalty if you ask me, as if she is going to get in trouble by having a little 4 month old baby a sleep in the pram in the shop its laughable.
It's not rubbish at all, racecourses, greyhound tracks and seaside arcades are not betting shops and kids aren't allowed in betting shops at football grounds, so don't really see why you mentioned them.
The 'jobsworth' as you put it would get into trouble, and most likely sacked if she got caught serving him, but I suppose as jobs are so easy to come by these days she should have served him anyway?
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